What if Jesus were born gay?
How would his life been different, if at all? As He was celibate, how would it matter? The subject of Christ’s humanity has been argued by theologians for centuries. The Catholics are loading their hand guns and rifles right now, just for asking the question. Blasphemy! I hear them cry.
“Did you ever hear of the Roman Catholic doctrine of the Immaculate Conception? And do you know what it is? Some of you possibly have supposed in hearing of it, that it meant that Jesus Christ was born sinless. That is not the Catholic Dogma at all. The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was born sinless. Why? Ostensibly to magnify Jesus; really the work of the devil to put a wide gulf between Jesus the Savior of men, and the man whom He came to save, so that one could not pass over to the other.” E.J. Waggoner, 1901 General Conference Bulletin, page 403-406.
On the flip side of the view point, I have read articles by gay authors that claim that because Jesus hung out with 12 dudes, and let John, “the disciple Jesus loved” lay on His chest, this proves that He was gay. They want to imply that the disciple “Jesus loved” was in the physical sense.
If you take the viewpoint that all gay sex is sin, then this could cause real problems with your belief system. Because if Jesus sinned, then He cannot be our Savior, and if Jesus is not my Savior, I am ending my life, as I have no more joy, nor reason to live. However, if you believe the viewpoint that a gay sexual orientation is genetic and that gays can live a holy life, then I am not sure where to go with this one. How was Jesus different from me as far as His humanity?
My Most Holy Savior and King, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Jesus Christ, was “tempted in every way you are, yet without sin.” Hebrews 4:15. Although Jesus was the Son of God, He was also the Son of Man. Which man? “Regarding His Son, who as to His human nature was a descendent of David.” Romans 1: 3 NIV. King David was a “man after God’s own heart”, yet he murdered a man under his command so that he could sleep with his wife. Now that’s not very nice, if you ask me. So Jesus had in his blood line a murder and adulterer. David had several wives, but wanted one that belonged to another man. Did he also want a man?
In addition to multiple wives, David had a very special friend. The son of King Saul, David’s employer and soon to be enemy was David’s best friend. When the young courageous prince died, David had this to say”I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.” 2 Samuel 1: 29 NIV
Now if David preferred Jonathan’s love over that of women, I would say there was a chance there was some hanky panky going on. I wasn’t there you see, and you were not either, so let’s read what else Jonathan and David did together. David, a handsome, strong lad had just killed the Philistine giant Goliath, a man about 4 times his size, and this impressed Jonathan. The bible never comes out and says that “David lay with Jonathan.” Maybe they were the most amazing of life-long friends. I could only hope for a friend that true in my life time. At least some gay authors, including me, hope that there was more. But that doesn’t make it true.
Jonathan was “deeply impressed” with David. “By the time David had finished reporting to Saul, Jonathan was deeply impressed with David – an immediate bond was forged between them. He became totally committed to David. From that point on he was be David’s number-one advocate and friend.” 1 Samuel 18:9. OK, so we have two hot, athletic guys, alone in the woods, and Jonathan is “totally committed” to David. “Jonathan, out of his deep love for David, made a covenant with him. He formalized it with gifts: his own royal robe and weapons – armor, sword, bow, and belt.” 1 Samuel 19, 3-4 the Message Bible. The NIV says “Jonathan took off the robe he was wearing and gave it to him, along with his tunic” in the same verse.
A covenant is a formal, unbreakable, lifelong agreement, like a contract, usually made with a promise or oath. The “new covenant” is God’s agreement to save us through the Son of David, King Jesus. Or, a covenant can be a marriage. What kind of covenant did Jonathan make, when he took off his clothes and became bonded to David? Was David bi-sexual, and Jonathan gay? I wasn’t there; I am just looking at the bible text, and saying, it’s possible. As a gay man, I can see possibilities. But elsewhere it is called a “covenant friendship” so it could have been just friendship. But Jonathan’s father didn’t like the friendship, and maybe it was like when my father didn’t like the friendships I had with other boys.
“Saul exploded in anger at Jonathan: You son of a slut! Don’t you think I know that you’re in cahoots with the son of Jesse, disgracing both you and your mother? For as long as the son of Jesse is walking around free on this earth, your future kingdom is at risk.” 1 Samuel 20: 30, 31. Saul thought what Jonathan and David were doing was a disgrace, and disgracing his mother. By calling him a son of a slut, he as saying he was not his son. Have any of you had a parent tell you that if you were gay, you were not their son? That’s what some of my family members told me when I announced I was gay; they told me I was going to hell and no longer in the family.
So what do you think of this sad scene? “After the boy was gone, David got up from the stone, and bowed down before Jonathan three times, with his face to the ground. Then they kissed each other and wept together – but David wept the most.” 1 Samuel 20:35 NIV. We tend to paint what we read in the bible with our own brush. Wither or not there was a sexual, physical relationship between David and Jonathan is not nearly as important as is the question, “did King David, ancestor of Jesus, carry the genetic code so that he COULD have been gay?”
What do you believe?
What do you believe?
So did Jesus have “sinful flesh” or ‘sinless flesh”? You look at the great, great grandparents of Jesus; you will find prostitutes, murderers, Sabbath breakers, blasphemers, so why not gays? Don’t gays fit in with this list of sinners? So what kind of humanity did Jesus get from his mother Mary? Could the Christmas story have been about a child with the genetic code of a homosexual, but the lifelong actions of a sinless human being under the constant control of His Father's Spirit? If not, why not? Someone needs to ask these questions, so don't kill me for just trying to understand and live by God's word.
“For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are – yet was without sin.” Hebrews 4:15 NIV. If Jesus was tempted in every way, in every respect, like I am, then he had to be tempted from inside, from his flesh, his body. If I see a hot, hunky married guy, walking with his wife and children, and I get hard for him, where is that arousal coming from? I am being tempted to commit adultery with a married man, to try to seduce him and get him to leave his wife and children for me. If Jesus was tempted in every way I am, how would His body respond when the man walked by, or would he be tempted by the woman’s body? I don’t know I just want to understand the text. What is temptation, and where does it come from?
“When tempted, no one should say: “God is tempting me” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. But each one is dragged away and enticed by his own evil desire. Then, after desire is conceived, it gives birth to sin; and after sin is full grown, it gives birth to death.” James 1:13 Was Jesus “dragged away and enticed by his own evil desire?” Temptation has to come from within, something inside you has to respond to the bad thing, and you have to want it.
Was Jesus the plastic, fake, cartoon man that the many have painted Him to be, with even his mother someone who was too holy to be tempted? Does the TV cartoon Family Guy give an portrayal of Christ that matches what most people believe? Did Jesus walk two inches off the ground everywhere He went? Or did Jesus have to eat, to take a dump, to take a bath because He was sweaty and stinking? Did His breath smell bad when He ate garlic, did Jesus fart after He ate beans? While standing in AWE in respect of the Incarnation of the Son of God, was he really, as He claimed, "the Son of Man?"
Was he a real man, with real pain and feelings, or some pie in the sky Holy man that has nothing to do with your very real temptations? As the bible says “God cannot be tempted by evil" and as Jesus was God / man, just how did this work?
Was he a real man, with real pain and feelings, or some pie in the sky Holy man that has nothing to do with your very real temptations? As the bible says “God cannot be tempted by evil" and as Jesus was God / man, just how did this work?
“God went for the jugular when He sent His own Son. He didn’t deal with the problem as something remote and unimportant. In His Son Jesus, he personally took on the human condition, entered the disordered mess of struggling humanity, in order to set it right once and for all.” Romans 8: 3, 4 the Message Bible.
Of course, the father of Jesus was not Joseph as most people believed at the time, but the Holy Spirit. But the question you must answer for yourself, was Mary a real human being, with real lust, hate, hunger and sin? If she was not and if Jesus had “sinless flesh” as did Mary, then no one has any right to ask you to do anything but party, get drunk, get high, and have sex with whomever you like, because your sinful flesh is controlling you. Because if Jesus couldn’t win the fight over sin in your flesh, in your body, then how can anyone expect you to win it? Are you better than Jesus?
No, Jesus was tempted in every respect, in every way like you - but He never sinned. And that’s what we find so hard to believe. It takes away all excuse for sinning. If we actually have a fair fight, if God actually showed us through Jesus Christ an example of what He wants for your life, then maybe through the Holy Spirit living in you, you can have a holy, powerful life of pleasing God just like Jesus. What if you, even if you are a gay human being, could be like Jesus in your daily life, through His Spirit living in you. What if you could not only be saved, but that you could live a holy life?
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No, Jesus was tempted in every respect, in every way like you - but He never sinned. And that’s what we find so hard to believe. It takes away all excuse for sinning. If we actually have a fair fight, if God actually showed us through Jesus Christ an example of what He wants for your life, then maybe through the Holy Spirit living in you, you can have a holy, powerful life of pleasing God just like Jesus. What if you, even if you are a gay human being, could be like Jesus in your daily life, through His Spirit living in you. What if you could not only be saved, but that you could live a holy life?
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